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	<title>Comments on: Poverty Does Not Cause Terrorism</title>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
		<link>http://enableate.com/steve/2007/888#comment-12380</link>
		<author>Dan</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Nov 2007 04:22:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Frankly Steve, I don't care where you stand and I'm baffled that you generally seem to have such an obsession with determining where I stand.  I guess I should be flattered, but I don't see how anyone should care where I stand - only what evidence and reason I can present.  I only really care about evidence and reason, not about stands.  If all you are doing is stating your stand, and you refuse to address any criticism of the evidence upon which you are supposedly basing this stand, I don't really see any way we can have a conversation that doesn't ultimately amount to bashing.  I can do that, but for me, it gets boring after a while if it's all you are doing.

I'm sorry to hear that you find it unrewarding to have discussions centered around evidence and reason.  Unfortunately, I have a different opinion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Frankly Steve, I don&#8217;t care where you stand and I&#8217;m baffled that you generally seem to have such an obsession with determining where I stand.  I guess I should be flattered, but I don&#8217;t see how anyone should care where I stand - only what evidence and reason I can present.  I only really care about evidence and reason, not about stands.  If all you are doing is stating your stand, and you refuse to address any criticism of the evidence upon which you are supposedly basing this stand, I don&#8217;t really see any way we can have a conversation that doesn&#8217;t ultimately amount to bashing.  I can do that, but for me, it gets boring after a while if it&#8217;s all you are doing.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sorry to hear that you find it unrewarding to have discussions centered around evidence and reason.  Unfortunately, I have a different opinion.</p>
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		<title>By: steve</title>
		<link>http://enableate.com/steve/2007/888#comment-12370</link>
		<author>steve</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2007 23:32:42 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://enableate.com/steve/2007/888#comment-12370</guid>
		<description>Sigh. 

The only part of your response that gets at my argument is a trite heuristic. 



&lt;blockquote&gt;correlation is not causation&lt;/blockquote&gt;



Well no shit Sherlock. You clearly are just arguing to argue. You don't' believe what you are saying or worse, you aren't saying anything. Makes arguing with you unrewarding. 

You won't affirm or deny this basic proposition:

On average socialism revolution lead to more bloodshed than liberal revolutions. 

It makes having this argument virtually impossible. And extremly boring I might add. One can always nickel and dime another's argument. Criticizing what has been extended is easy because that extension defines the constraint in which it can be criticized. You avoid such extension out of insecurity about possible contingencies once the constraints have been defined. 

Talk about boring. Never extending just criticize. Snoooze-o-rama.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sigh. </p>
<p>The only part of your response that gets at my argument is a trite heuristic. </p>
<blockquote><p>correlation is not causation</p></blockquote>
<p>Well no shit Sherlock. You clearly are just arguing to argue. You don&#8217;t&#8217; believe what you are saying or worse, you aren&#8217;t saying anything. Makes arguing with you unrewarding. </p>
<p>You won&#8217;t affirm or deny this basic proposition:</p>
<p>On average socialism revolution lead to more bloodshed than liberal revolutions. </p>
<p>It makes having this argument virtually impossible. And extremly boring I might add. One can always nickel and dime another&#8217;s argument. Criticizing what has been extended is easy because that extension defines the constraint in which it can be criticized. You avoid such extension out of insecurity about possible contingencies once the constraints have been defined. </p>
<p>Talk about boring. Never extending just criticize. Snoooze-o-rama.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
		<link>http://enableate.com/steve/2007/888#comment-12369</link>
		<author>Dan</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2007 23:12:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"invariably, liberal values lead to wealthier nations which should have improved wealth distribution"

Invariably?  Okay, I'll try to pick a counterexample that's close to home so I don't get "uh, I don't know anything about that country".  So Mexico, with its exceptionally low tax rate and deregulated market structure, should have more wealth and a lower gini coefficient the US or Canada, both of which have less liberal economies?

"killing innocent people is a bad thing"

You're the one who has said that he is happy with the way the US handled WW2.  This included killing innocent people.  Unless of course you want to take the position that no one is truly innocent, and if that is true talking about whether it is right or wrong to kill imaginary people is silly.

"Those willing to shed other’s blood are less likely to do so when the state they find themselves in respects liberal values. Some of my readers have led me to believe that liberal values hold the same propensity for violence as do other values. Huh. So it turns out that liberal values reduce a citizens willingness to commit violence."

Correlation is not the same as causation.  In fact, often the onset of violence precedes the onset of communism, suggesting that the causality may in fact be the opposite of what you suggest (for example: China).

"the vast majority of insurgents are native Iraqis"

Doesn't this contradict what you said earlier - that the Iraq war is not a recruiting tool for terrorists, and insurgents is a nice word for terrorist?

"The least supportive group turned out to be the unemployed, 74 percent of whom said they support or strongly back armed attacks."

You do realize what this implies, right?  Of the demographic group least in favor of attacking US soldiers violently, 74% are in favor of people who kill them.  Yes, it really sounds like those Iraqis are happy about the U.S. continuing to be there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;invariably, liberal values lead to wealthier nations which should have improved wealth distribution&#8221;</p>
<p>Invariably?  Okay, I&#8217;ll try to pick a counterexample that&#8217;s close to home so I don&#8217;t get &#8220;uh, I don&#8217;t know anything about that country&#8221;.  So Mexico, with its exceptionally low tax rate and deregulated market structure, should have more wealth and a lower gini coefficient the US or Canada, both of which have less liberal economies?</p>
<p>&#8220;killing innocent people is a bad thing&#8221;</p>
<p>You&#8217;re the one who has said that he is happy with the way the US handled WW2.  This included killing innocent people.  Unless of course you want to take the position that no one is truly innocent, and if that is true talking about whether it is right or wrong to kill imaginary people is silly.</p>
<p>&#8220;Those willing to shed other’s blood are less likely to do so when the state they find themselves in respects liberal values. Some of my readers have led me to believe that liberal values hold the same propensity for violence as do other values. Huh. So it turns out that liberal values reduce a citizens willingness to commit violence.&#8221;</p>
<p>Correlation is not the same as causation.  In fact, often the onset of violence precedes the onset of communism, suggesting that the causality may in fact be the opposite of what you suggest (for example: China).</p>
<p>&#8220;the vast majority of insurgents are native Iraqis&#8221;</p>
<p>Doesn&#8217;t this contradict what you said earlier - that the Iraq war is not a recruiting tool for terrorists, and insurgents is a nice word for terrorist?</p>
<p>&#8220;The least supportive group turned out to be the unemployed, 74 percent of whom said they support or strongly back armed attacks.&#8221;</p>
<p>You do realize what this implies, right?  Of the demographic group least in favor of attacking US soldiers violently, 74% are in favor of people who kill them.  Yes, it really sounds like those Iraqis are happy about the U.S. continuing to be there.</p>
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		<title>By: steve</title>
		<link>http://enableate.com/steve/2007/888#comment-12358</link>
		<author>steve</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2007 18:12:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Liberal values does not equal political liberals. Political liberals are down on liberal values particularly when those values are used in defense of free markets.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Liberal values does not equal political liberals. Political liberals are down on liberal values particularly when those values are used in defense of free markets.</p>
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		<title>By: darwin</title>
		<link>http://enableate.com/steve/2007/888#comment-12351</link>
		<author>darwin</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2007 08:07:06 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://enableate.com/steve/2007/888#comment-12351</guid>
		<description>I'm really confused. I thought you hated liberals?

please explain.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m really confused. I thought you hated liberals?</p>
<p>please explain.</p>
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