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	<link>http://enableate.com/steve/2007/841</link>
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		<title>By: steve</title>
		<link>http://enableate.com/steve/2007/841#comment-12104</link>
		<author>steve</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Oct 2007 21:04:34 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://enableate.com/steve/2007/841#comment-12104</guid>
		<description>Facts are opinions. They are just more strongly constrained.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Facts are opinions. They are just more strongly constrained.</p>
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		<title>By: Diatribe</title>
		<link>http://enableate.com/steve/2007/841#comment-12100</link>
		<author>Diatribe</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Oct 2007 13:43:30 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://enableate.com/steve/2007/841#comment-12100</guid>
		<description>"Insite has not led to an increase in drug-related crime, rates of arrest for drug trafficking, assaults and robbery were similar after the facility’s opening, and rates of vehicle break-ins/theft declined significantly"

So there has not been an increase - but that also means there has not been a decrease (so who cares).  What has decreased is vehicle break ins - (that cannot be attributed to anything else?)

Thank god needle sharing has decreased though - phew.  I dont care if they share needles and get other diseases - their drug addicts who are not helping society - Have a nice day.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Insite has not led to an increase in drug-related crime, rates of arrest for drug trafficking, assaults and robbery were similar after the facility’s opening, and rates of vehicle break-ins/theft declined significantly&#8221;</p>
<p>So there has not been an increase - but that also means there has not been a decrease (so who cares).  What has decreased is vehicle break ins - (that cannot be attributed to anything else?)</p>
<p>Thank god needle sharing has decreased though - phew.  I dont care if they share needles and get other diseases - their drug addicts who are not helping society - Have a nice day.</p>
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		<title>By: Bettina</title>
		<link>http://enableate.com/steve/2007/841#comment-12096</link>
		<author>Bettina</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Oct 2007 06:45:55 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://enableate.com/steve/2007/841#comment-12096</guid>
		<description>lol... if they are our AND represent the absolute truth...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>lol&#8230; if they are our AND represent the absolute truth&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Jamie</title>
		<link>http://enableate.com/steve/2007/841#comment-12093</link>
		<author>Jamie</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2007 21:43:06 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://enableate.com/steve/2007/841#comment-12093</guid>
		<description>Stop trying to fool everyone with data.  It's a wasted effort around here.  Afterall, we all know that opinions (if they are our own) are always more important that facts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stop trying to fool everyone with data.  It&#8217;s a wasted effort around here.  Afterall, we all know that opinions (if they are our own) are always more important that facts.</p>
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		<title>By: Bettina</title>
		<link>http://enableate.com/steve/2007/841#comment-12091</link>
		<author>Bettina</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2007 16:01:38 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://enableate.com/steve/2007/841#comment-12091</guid>
		<description>taken from here: http://www.vch.ca/sis/research.htm

Results include: 

Insite is leading to increased uptake into detoxification programs and addiction treatment. (New England Journal of Medicine) 
Insite has not led to an increase in drug-related crime, rates of arrest for drug trafficking, assaults and robbery were similar after the facility’s opening, and rates of vehicle break-ins/theft declined significantly. (Substance Abuse Treatment, Prevention, and Policy) 
Insite has reduced the number of people injecting in public and the amount of injection-related litter in the downtown eastside. (Canadian Medical Association Journal) 
Insite is attracting the highest-risk users – those more likely to be vulnerable to HIV infection and overdose, and who were contributing to problems of public drug use and unsafe syringe disposal. (American Journal of Preventive Medicine) 
Insite has reduced overall rates of needle sharing in the community, and among those who used the supervised injection site for some, most or all of their injections, 70% were less likely to report syringe sharing. (The Lancet) 
Nearly one-third of Insite users received information relating to safer injecting practices. Those who received help injecting from fellow injection drug users on the streets were more than twice as likely to have received safer injecting education at Insite. (The International Journal of Drug Policy) 
Insite is not increasing rates of relapse among former drug users, nor is it a negative influence on those seeking to stop drug use. (British Medical Journal)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>taken from here: <a href="http://www.vch.ca/sis/research.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.vch.ca/sis/research.htm</a></p>
<p>Results include: </p>
<p>Insite is leading to increased uptake into detoxification programs and addiction treatment. (New England Journal of Medicine)<br />
Insite has not led to an increase in drug-related crime, rates of arrest for drug trafficking, assaults and robbery were similar after the facility’s opening, and rates of vehicle break-ins/theft declined significantly. (Substance Abuse Treatment, Prevention, and Policy)<br />
Insite has reduced the number of people injecting in public and the amount of injection-related litter in the downtown eastside. (Canadian Medical Association Journal)<br />
Insite is attracting the highest-risk users – those more likely to be vulnerable to HIV infection and overdose, and who were contributing to problems of public drug use and unsafe syringe disposal. (American Journal of Preventive Medicine)<br />
Insite has reduced overall rates of needle sharing in the community, and among those who used the supervised injection site for some, most or all of their injections, 70% were less likely to report syringe sharing. (The Lancet)<br />
Nearly one-third of Insite users received information relating to safer injecting practices. Those who received help injecting from fellow injection drug users on the streets were more than twice as likely to have received safer injecting education at Insite. (The International Journal of Drug Policy)<br />
Insite is not increasing rates of relapse among former drug users, nor is it a negative influence on those seeking to stop drug use. (British Medical Journal)</p>
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		<title>By: Bettina</title>
		<link>http://enableate.com/steve/2007/841#comment-12083</link>
		<author>Bettina</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2007 13:50:08 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://enableate.com/steve/2007/841#comment-12083</guid>
		<description>http://www.konsumraum.de/dta/pdf/springer.pdf

great study containing international comparisons, great legal part, good supportive data.

You have the choice of either trusting me on the "stats"part here, or take some German classes and read them yourself. I'm trying to look for more readable data for you guys.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.konsumraum.de/dta/pdf/springer.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.konsumraum.de/dta/pdf/springer.pdf</a></p>
<p>great study containing international comparisons, great legal part, good supportive data.</p>
<p>You have the choice of either trusting me on the &#8220;stats&#8221;part here, or take some German classes and read them yourself. I&#8217;m trying to look for more readable data for you guys.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
		<link>http://enableate.com/steve/2007/841#comment-12080</link>
		<author>Dan</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2007 09:38:13 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://enableate.com/steve/2007/841#comment-12080</guid>
		<description>"pragmatic idea (and its succesful stats)"

Would you provide a link to those stats?  I admit to being fairly ignorant in regard to this subject, and would like to see the numbers for myself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;pragmatic idea (and its succesful stats)&#8221;</p>
<p>Would you provide a link to those stats?  I admit to being fairly ignorant in regard to this subject, and would like to see the numbers for myself.</p>
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		<title>By: Bettina</title>
		<link>http://enableate.com/steve/2007/841#comment-12071</link>
		<author>Bettina</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Oct 2007 17:27:32 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://enableate.com/steve/2007/841#comment-12071</guid>
		<description>P.S. Thanks for not mentioning that benefit of a drug injection center, which I consider to be the most positive aspect of it - namely improving the accessibility for drug users to therapy programs. Well, this is turn also will "save lives" (what a minor motivation), but for my naive and quixotic soul (as you call it) it is the best part of that entire concept of those centers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>P.S. Thanks for not mentioning that benefit of a drug injection center, which I consider to be the most positive aspect of it - namely improving the accessibility for drug users to therapy programs. Well, this is turn also will &#8220;save lives&#8221; (what a minor motivation), but for my naive and quixotic soul (as you call it) it is the best part of that entire concept of those centers.</p>
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		<title>By: Bettina</title>
		<link>http://enableate.com/steve/2007/841#comment-12070</link>
		<author>Bettina</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Oct 2007 17:18:04 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://enableate.com/steve/2007/841#comment-12070</guid>
		<description>a) wow, what an INTERESTING topic you selected (seriously)....

b) elsewhere, Darwin talked about a "pragmatic solution" -  which the concept of a drug injection center is indeed. It is once again fascinating, how you manage to dissolve this pragmatic idea (and its succesful stats) into a nebulous building of abstract/theoretical counter-arguments, which I am not willing to respond to. Obviously, doing something "simply for the sake of saving lives" does not suffice your concept of state involvement - I mean "simply for the sake of saving lives" is really too easy and too practical of a thing to do for you - there has to be some real BIG motivation behind a government action, like for example establishing democracies, or fighting members of inferior cultures (or better, fighting inferior cultures ENTIRELY). Yes, saving lives of some rotten drug addicts is just too ordinary and dirty PLUS those jerks have chosen to do drugs. Too bad.

c) however, I do acknowledge what you are trying to point out here: "Here we have a city blatantly violating the spirit of the federal laws". The INCB has the same objections that you have, and indeed, having policemen actively ignoring the illegal act of possessing drugs has to be mandated by someone and somewhere. Here in Germany, we have something called the order of "active ignoring", which all policemen have to act accordingly, meaning, if they pass a drug injection center, they MUST "look away". After all, drug consumtion in itself is not considered a crime here - it's considered a voluntary act of self-harm (possession IS a crime, though). I know, I know, I know - I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO SAY TO THAT, but, again, the reality at times gives a shit about principles of government involvment, self-choice, big government, small government, tax money. AFTER ALL, it is "only for the sake of saving lives"....something, which you consider to be too simple of an idea....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>a) wow, what an INTERESTING topic you selected (seriously)&#8230;.</p>
<p>b) elsewhere, Darwin talked about a &#8220;pragmatic solution&#8221; -  which the concept of a drug injection center is indeed. It is once again fascinating, how you manage to dissolve this pragmatic idea (and its succesful stats) into a nebulous building of abstract/theoretical counter-arguments, which I am not willing to respond to. Obviously, doing something &#8220;simply for the sake of saving lives&#8221; does not suffice your concept of state involvement - I mean &#8220;simply for the sake of saving lives&#8221; is really too easy and too practical of a thing to do for you - there has to be some real BIG motivation behind a government action, like for example establishing democracies, or fighting members of inferior cultures (or better, fighting inferior cultures ENTIRELY). Yes, saving lives of some rotten drug addicts is just too ordinary and dirty PLUS those jerks have chosen to do drugs. Too bad.</p>
<p>c) however, I do acknowledge what you are trying to point out here: &#8220;Here we have a city blatantly violating the spirit of the federal laws&#8221;. The INCB has the same objections that you have, and indeed, having policemen actively ignoring the illegal act of possessing drugs has to be mandated by someone and somewhere. Here in Germany, we have something called the order of &#8220;active ignoring&#8221;, which all policemen have to act accordingly, meaning, if they pass a drug injection center, they MUST &#8220;look away&#8221;. After all, drug consumtion in itself is not considered a crime here - it&#8217;s considered a voluntary act of self-harm (possession IS a crime, though). I know, I know, I know - I KNOW WHAT YOU&#8217;RE GOING TO SAY TO THAT, but, again, the reality at times gives a shit about principles of government involvment, self-choice, big government, small government, tax money. AFTER ALL, it is &#8220;only for the sake of saving lives&#8221;&#8230;.something, which you consider to be too simple of an idea&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Jamie</title>
		<link>http://enableate.com/steve/2007/841#comment-12069</link>
		<author>Jamie</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Oct 2007 16:32:23 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://enableate.com/steve/2007/841#comment-12069</guid>
		<description>I could be wrong, but I believe the comment that speaks to the benefits of such programs is suggesting that these programs REDUCE actuall drug use.  If true, isn't that what you are calling for?  Overall reduction in drug use?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I could be wrong, but I believe the comment that speaks to the benefits of such programs is suggesting that these programs REDUCE actuall drug use.  If true, isn&#8217;t that what you are calling for?  Overall reduction in drug use?</p>
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