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	<title>Comments on: Poor Argumentation</title>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
		<link>http://enableate.com/steve/2007/805#comment-11768</link>
		<author>Dan</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Oct 2007 21:42:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, the military says it didn't do anything wrong in Haditha, so obviously the military is innocent.  Duh.  Although, I don't really see why whether the soldiers were innocent or guilty has anything to do with whether it is 'dishonoring' or not.  Even if someone admits (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/6384781.stm) to gang-raping a 14-year-old, it still dishonors them to remind the world of it.

I think it's kind of absurd to expect occupying troops to be 'nice' to the locals - as long as the concept of occupation has existed, a component of that concept has been the rape, abuse, and murder of the indigenous population as a means of demoralizing them into increased submission/cooperativeness or as spoils of war.  If you believe that the benefits of war outweigh these things, fine.  But don't imagine that it is safe to assume that soldiers won't mistreat the race they just conquered.  That's just as naive as the strawman position you like to ridicule - that every conflict could have been avoided if there were unilateral understanding.

Is it 'dishonoring' someone to suggest that they acted in a natural, human fashion that was perfectly in accord with historical precedent?  I mean this question to rhetorically suggest that the concept of honor is trivial when compared to issues like life, death, and deceit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, the military says it didn&#8217;t do anything wrong in Haditha, so obviously the military is innocent.  Duh.  Although, I don&#8217;t really see why whether the soldiers were innocent or guilty has anything to do with whether it is &#8216;dishonoring&#8217; or not.  Even if someone admits (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/6384781.stm) to gang-raping a 14-year-old, it still dishonors them to remind the world of it.</p>
<p>I think it&#8217;s kind of absurd to expect occupying troops to be &#8216;nice&#8217; to the locals - as long as the concept of occupation has existed, a component of that concept has been the rape, abuse, and murder of the indigenous population as a means of demoralizing them into increased submission/cooperativeness or as spoils of war.  If you believe that the benefits of war outweigh these things, fine.  But don&#8217;t imagine that it is safe to assume that soldiers won&#8217;t mistreat the race they just conquered.  That&#8217;s just as naive as the strawman position you like to ridicule - that every conflict could have been avoided if there were unilateral understanding.</p>
<p>Is it &#8216;dishonoring&#8217; someone to suggest that they acted in a natural, human fashion that was perfectly in accord with historical precedent?  I mean this question to rhetorically suggest that the concept of honor is trivial when compared to issues like life, death, and deceit.</p>
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		<title>By: Jamie</title>
		<link>http://enableate.com/steve/2007/805#comment-11767</link>
		<author>Jamie</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Oct 2007 20:32:03 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://enableate.com/steve/2007/805#comment-11767</guid>
		<description>Good god....  I just re-read your post  You have to be one of the most arrogant individuals on the face of the planet.  I guess I won't worry about your self-esteem.....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good god&#8230;.  I just re-read your post  You have to be one of the most arrogant individuals on the face of the planet.  I guess I won&#8217;t worry about your self-esteem&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: Jamie</title>
		<link>http://enableate.com/steve/2007/805#comment-11766</link>
		<author>Jamie</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Oct 2007 20:30:41 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://enableate.com/steve/2007/805#comment-11766</guid>
		<description>Get off your damn high horse steve.  You are not captain of some universal debate team and your accusations that people that post here do not how to argue is just plain stupid.  What you mean, is that because they don't agree with you, they are wrong and lack intergrity and don't know how to argue.  Please!!  If you're so fucking smart, why don't you get off your ass and actually make an impact in this world rather than playing monday morning quarterback.

Regardless....  to remain with the original point.  I believe some of these protests are in poor taste and is quite a disrespectful show of our nation's support for our soldiers.  My only point, which I've now heard from debate god is flawed, is that disrespect for our soldiers is not a partisan event.  Disrespect comes in many different forms - in the case I was arguing that form was the republican role in failing to fully fund VA benefits.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Get off your damn high horse steve.  You are not captain of some universal debate team and your accusations that people that post here do not how to argue is just plain stupid.  What you mean, is that because they don&#8217;t agree with you, they are wrong and lack intergrity and don&#8217;t know how to argue.  Please!!  If you&#8217;re so fucking smart, why don&#8217;t you get off your ass and actually make an impact in this world rather than playing monday morning quarterback.</p>
<p>Regardless&#8230;.  to remain with the original point.  I believe some of these protests are in poor taste and is quite a disrespectful show of our nation&#8217;s support for our soldiers.  My only point, which I&#8217;ve now heard from debate god is flawed, is that disrespect for our soldiers is not a partisan event.  Disrespect comes in many different forms - in the case I was arguing that form was the republican role in failing to fully fund VA benefits.</p>
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		<title>By: michael</title>
		<link>http://enableate.com/steve/2007/805#comment-11761</link>
		<author>michael</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Oct 2007 17:20:32 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://enableate.com/steve/2007/805#comment-11761</guid>
		<description>don't make inflamatory statements and expect not to get flamed. Obviously protesting outside a hospital is disrespectful. However, it is this very right to protest that our soldiers are fighting and dying for. Surely you would not rather Americans to blindly follow the military's lead in foreign conflicts without any kind of criticism or oversight?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>don&#8217;t make inflamatory statements and expect not to get flamed. Obviously protesting outside a hospital is disrespectful. However, it is this very right to protest that our soldiers are fighting and dying for. Surely you would not rather Americans to blindly follow the military&#8217;s lead in foreign conflicts without any kind of criticism or oversight?</p>
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