Utterly Unsurprising
Given that psychiatrists are priests this does not surprise me at all.
A nationwide survey of the religious beliefs and practices of American physicians has found that the least religious of all medical specialties is psychiatry.
Clinical psychology is just as morally problematic as all the other religions.
September 4th, 2007 at 10:29 am
Clinical psychology and medical psychiatry are hardly the same thing.
You don’t know a damn thing about clinical psychology and yet you complain. If you knew 1/1000000000000 of what you tell yourself you have already learned you’d actually might say something useful.
September 4th, 2007 at 10:32 am
Out of curiosity, how much experience do you have with clinical psychology?
September 4th, 2007 at 12:30 pm
all I say is VERN…
September 4th, 2007 at 12:32 pm
(not that this comment is of any significance), but I’m afraid to agree with Jamie, cause as far as I know Steve’s exposure to clinical psychology consists in a traumatic exposure to breast-feeding teachers while he was drawing organic chemistry formulas on the blackboard and staring at me (in this case, I won the staring contest)
September 4th, 2007 at 1:27 pm
Several upper-division graduate courses and close frienships with 2 or 3 people that were clinically trained in good programs.
However, this is beside the point. I’m not the one talking shit about something that I know nothing about. That’s your idea of a good time.
September 4th, 2007 at 1:46 pm
I forgot about that class. Vern was such a bad teacher. To be fair, she did have one of the worst class to teach: clinical psychology.
September 4th, 2007 at 1:49 pm
What credentials do i need before i’m permitted to talk about clinical psychology?
September 4th, 2007 at 2:11 pm
I think that one credential which you need is MODERATION, or at least, giving any field of research (and clinical psychology IS a field of research) the chance to be discussed reasonably BEFORE you draw your conclusions, and not draw your conclusions befor you dismiss the field entirely and completely, not even showing the willingness to even get to learn about it. But, we’ve been there.
September 4th, 2007 at 3:35 pm
According to the Jamie\Bettina argument, things I can’t talk about:
Physics
Financing Banking
Child Rearing
Divinity
Rebuilding an Engine
Calculus
Baking a cherry pie
Paving road with asphalt
Teaching 7th grade history
Whether two people would be a good match
Flying an airplane
Coding drives for a printer
Designing packaging for a product
History of Africa
New World Monkeys
Putting together a book of lists
Protesting labor policy
Iraq
Unemployment
That girl that yelled at me in the third grade
Racing cars professional
God
Clinical Psychology
Installing speaker into a car
Calibrating a gas gauge
Being a mother
Professionally training dogs
Installing carpet
Producing gummy bears
Coding Poser
3-d animation in Maya
Shoe cobbling
International Policy of Romania
Socialism
Tariffs
Mental health
Subsidies
The way and means committee
Logistic of arranging a political conference
Lobbying
running for senate
growing corn
Being an uncle
Doing cocaine
Working at water mill
Using a club to kill someone
Cool food in an icebox
Playing the violin
Sacrificing mice
Art History
doing cell counts
manufacturing cell phones
leading a team to victory
Playing football
purifying water for human consumption
cleaning up radiation
Tuning a piano
Serving tables
Packing peanuts
Investing money into a firm
Running a corporation
God’s existence
Religions role in 9th century Europe
Lumbers influence on the development of architecture
Spain
Being a father
design a mechanical pencil
repairing a roof
You get the feeling the list of things that i don’t have extensive knowledge of goes on forever. What exactly am I allowed to talk about?
Better yet who cares, cause the your not an expert argument is beyond lame. Its a way of avoiding the actual argument. If my observations are so ignorant and wrong headed one would think that refuting them would be a small matter.
Here i will save you the trouble. I lack extensive knowledge of psychiatry or clinical psychology. Additionally, I’m not surprised to find out psychiatrists are the least religious. Broadly speaking psychology applied to controlling behavior in an explicit manner, ie clinical psychology, is a religion. Those that practice it are priests.
Argue with the point. Don’t bore me to death with your credibility counters. They are beyond boring and get nobody anywhere in the discussion.
September 4th, 2007 at 4:25 pm
Steve,
You are free to discuss anything you want. You don’t need credentials and you don’t need permission. You live in a free country and you have even searched for a place to give your opinion.
The rest of us can laugh at you. That’s the only thing to do when someone with absolutely no real point disparages an entire career choice. That’s what happens when someone that is not even making a coherent argument so passionately against something they don’t understand.
Mock clinical psychology all you want, but at least bring something to the table. At least point out a way that there workings are flawed before simply resorting to name calling (i.e. calling them priests and calling their practice a religion).
September 4th, 2007 at 4:33 pm
Some would consider being called a priest or religion not insulting. I was simply clumping them together with those the share the most with. It was you that inferred insult although to be fair I do have contempt for priest and religion. Particular when they attempt to control my behavior.
September 4th, 2007 at 7:50 pm
Look at what you said. You said it was morally problematic. What shall I infer?
It seems to me that your belief that psychologists try to control behavior is based on the idea that attempted modification equals control. We very very rarely condemn anyone anymore. As society stands, people are free to seek help from a psychologist when they identify an issue that they feel could use some improvement. When successful, a psychologist can apply empirically derived interventions to assist an individual with something that otherwise has not responded in a satisfactory way. The same is true with those that injure themselves while excercising. In this case a PT can help craft a plan that will allieviate the issues that led to injury. If you feel that PTs are controlling behavior because there plan suggests modifications to the excercise routine than that is fine. I tend to disagree.